1 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:44,710 --> 00:00:42,229 exploring the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,990 --> 00:00:44,720 into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:52,299 --> 00:00:48,000 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:57,439 --> 00:00:52,309 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:01:01,130 --> 00:00:57,449 ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well 7 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:01,140 as other dimensions it's time to take 8 00:01:09,290 --> 00:01:06,060 back the night now your electrifying 9 00:01:13,540 --> 00:01:09,300 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 10 00:01:21,529 --> 00:01:18,499 LM picking up my seven string guitar and 11 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:21,539 I'm going to be singing and cross road 12 00:01:30,170 --> 00:01:26,610 blues to keep the pinks away I went down 13 00:01:33,710 --> 00:01:30,180 by the crossroads fell down on my knees 14 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:33,720 I went down to the crossroads fell down 15 00:01:41,150 --> 00:01:37,170 on my knees asked the Lord above have 16 00:01:45,309 --> 00:01:41,160 mercy on some poor boy like me if you 17 00:01:48,710 --> 00:01:45,319 please went down by the crossroads wow 18 00:01:53,749 --> 00:01:48,720 man that really brings back memories of 19 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:53,759 my years in the Rock and Roll and good 20 00:02:01,100 --> 00:01:58,890 old blues I just love the love the blues 21 00:02:09,469 --> 00:02:01,110 and it keeps the tanks away Tim do you 22 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:09,479 know about the haints yeah you know some 23 00:02:15,910 --> 00:02:12,660 of the some of the old people that that 24 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:15,920 I knew years ago would call them hates 25 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:18,720 hate ya 26 00:02:25,010 --> 00:02:20,730 see you mister you missed your calling 27 00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:25,020 Tim you could have been a blues blues 28 00:02:33,350 --> 00:02:29,280 singer there yeah well I I let my 29 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:33,360 friends do the singing in the picking at 30 00:02:40,580 --> 00:02:37,890 the guitar and the banjo although you 31 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:40,590 know I my life has certainly been full 32 00:02:50,970 --> 00:02:44,550 of music and witchcraft and the occult 33 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:50,980 and ain't maybe this mystery paint 34 00:03:01,710 --> 00:02:53,110 ain't misbehavin this is that a song 35 00:03:06,330 --> 00:03:01,720 there now at the crossroads try to flag 36 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:06,340 a ride ah yeah now since you since you 37 00:03:15,449 --> 00:03:11,260 brought that up you know rock and roll 38 00:03:17,729 --> 00:03:15,459 has been associated and and you know the 39 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:17,739 the Blues and and you know some of these 40 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:22,810 you know other genres of music have been 41 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:25,930 associated with the occult and some 42 00:03:31,979 --> 00:03:29,410 people would say even the devil for for 43 00:03:36,569 --> 00:03:31,989 quite some time and and you've got a 44 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:36,579 story about how a certain person may 45 00:03:46,170 --> 00:03:40,329 have made a deal so to speak with the 46 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:46,180 devil for his music ability well I you 47 00:03:53,550 --> 00:03:49,170 know it it all kind of started in the 48 00:03:58,770 --> 00:03:53,560 1930s there was a musician by a name of 49 00:04:01,979 --> 00:03:58,780 Robert Johnson and he was known actually 50 00:04:04,409 --> 00:04:01,989 is a terrible guitar player in fact he 51 00:04:10,830 --> 00:04:04,419 would go into the juke joints down 52 00:04:13,740 --> 00:04:10,840 around Mississippi and Louisiana and the 53 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:13,750 other folks musicians would basically 54 00:04:19,949 --> 00:04:16,900 tell him not to play because he was so 55 00:04:21,599 --> 00:04:19,959 bad in fact the the audience who had 56 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:21,609 come there for a little bit of gambling 57 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:23,680 and a little bit of moonshine and a 58 00:04:30,290 --> 00:04:26,880 little bit of dance and mainly a black 59 00:04:34,589 --> 00:04:30,300 audience because of course there was a 60 00:04:38,690 --> 00:04:34,599 segregation in those days would ask him 61 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:38,700 kindly to sit down and maybe this drama 62 00:04:48,570 --> 00:04:43,690 a tuner too while the the featured 63 00:04:52,230 --> 00:04:48,580 musicians were you know taking a rest 64 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:52,240 better or something but basically he was 65 00:04:59,670 --> 00:04:55,360 just not appreciated as a performer 66 00:05:04,320 --> 00:04:59,680 but then he disappeared I guess his his 67 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:04,330 wife died during a labor 68 00:05:11,550 --> 00:05:07,810 and he he went off by himself and did 69 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:11,560 not return for about a year and a half 70 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:15,550 now he came back one night he walked 71 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:20,050 into the juke joint and everybody was 72 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:21,970 kind of whispering behind his back you 73 00:05:27,210 --> 00:05:25,180 know look who's here Robert Johnson is 74 00:05:31,559 --> 00:05:27,220 back and he's carrying that guitar that 75 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:31,569 he can't play and he kind of begged him 76 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:35,889 to be allowed to sing the song and he 77 00:05:42,029 --> 00:05:39,340 took an extra string and and tied it up 78 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:42,039 there on his guitar neck and he had a 79 00:05:46,890 --> 00:05:44,050 seven string guitar which nobody had 80 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:46,900 ever seen anybody play before and he 81 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:49,810 well it was a different person all 82 00:05:57,119 --> 00:05:53,400 together Robert Johnson had come back 83 00:06:01,920 --> 00:05:57,129 from the Mississippi Delta to be an 84 00:06:06,149 --> 00:06:01,930 excellent guitar player and song writer 85 00:06:09,629 --> 00:06:06,159 now I think he only did 27 songs and 86 00:06:13,050 --> 00:06:09,639 across of course he has known and the 87 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:13,060 last a legend goes that he met the devil 88 00:06:21,990 --> 00:06:17,520 down by the crossroads and and the devil 89 00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:22,000 took made an agreement with him for his 90 00:06:29,700 --> 00:06:25,870 soul that he could return and and be an 91 00:06:31,860 --> 00:06:29,710 expert musician which he was now I don't 92 00:06:36,089 --> 00:06:31,870 know how good of a deal it was just 93 00:06:41,999 --> 00:06:36,099 between you and me Tim because I believe 94 00:06:45,570 --> 00:06:42,009 mr. Johnson died at the age of 27 but 95 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:45,580 the the Misco the myth goes on and of 96 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:48,250 course there are many of versions of his 97 00:06:57,959 --> 00:06:52,330 his songs including the Rolling Stones 98 00:07:03,809 --> 00:06:57,969 and the band cream I guess everybody has 99 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:03,819 covered Robert Johnson and it's a it's a 100 00:07:08,999 --> 00:07:05,770 legend down by the crossroad that 101 00:07:12,269 --> 00:07:09,009 everybody and the music business knows 102 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:12,279 about and you might kind of laugh at it 103 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:16,089 and spoof it but everybody just wonders 104 00:07:22,620 --> 00:07:18,010 how did that man 105 00:07:26,250 --> 00:07:22,630 wander out into the Mississippi Delta 106 00:07:29,790 --> 00:07:26,260 and come back such an expert blues man 107 00:07:33,210 --> 00:07:29,800 it boggled it boggles the mind hmm 108 00:07:37,050 --> 00:07:33,220 so that's the beginning yeah that's the 109 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:37,060 beginning of rock and roll and the and 110 00:07:41,910 --> 00:07:40,210 the occult as far as I'm concerned I 111 00:07:44,610 --> 00:07:41,920 mean that that's where it all started 112 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:44,620 and they there of course many musicians 113 00:07:53,490 --> 00:07:48,810 who have been into the occult including 114 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:53,500 Led Zeppelin and well the the the list 115 00:07:58,590 --> 00:07:55,780 goes on and on 116 00:08:01,950 --> 00:07:58,600 David Bowie yeah why was this I was just 117 00:08:06,750 --> 00:08:01,960 going to say so while Robert Johnson was 118 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:06,760 not able to really enjoy the the fruits 119 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:10,000 of his deal that long his music though 120 00:08:15,210 --> 00:08:13,720 has managed to become immortal 121 00:08:20,310 --> 00:08:15,220 through the through everybody else's 122 00:08:23,190 --> 00:08:20,320 covers well it has indeed and there's 123 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:23,200 always been this connection between rock 124 00:08:30,980 --> 00:08:27,910 and roll and some would say yeah 125 00:08:34,170 --> 00:08:30,990 Satanism but that's kind of you know 126 00:08:37,020 --> 00:08:34,180 overblown every garage band or a heavy 127 00:08:40,140 --> 00:08:37,030 metal band that mentions the devil has 128 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:40,150 to be Satan which Satanist but and 129 00:08:46,110 --> 00:08:43,900 that's that's totally absurd I I'm sure 130 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:46,120 there are some Satanists or have their 131 00:08:52,110 --> 00:08:48,310 own rock and roll bands but yeah that's 132 00:08:53,820 --> 00:08:52,120 a it's it's become a gimmick in the I 133 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:53,830 guess in the music business and you know 134 00:08:59,430 --> 00:08:55,990 you played your Beatles records 135 00:09:01,680 --> 00:08:59,440 backwards and now you've got all kinds 136 00:09:04,230 --> 00:09:01,690 of messages and I guess that's called 137 00:09:08,250 --> 00:09:04,240 masking is it you play Beatles I've 138 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:08,260 gotten that word man yeah and and so you 139 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:10,570 got your your connection there right 140 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:11,920 there and of course every of 141 00:09:18,030 --> 00:09:15,220 fundamentalist Minister from here to the 142 00:09:20,130 --> 00:09:18,040 Mississippi Delta well they were they 143 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:20,140 were the ones that it was the ministers 144 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:22,630 the Baptist ministers for the most part 145 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:25,120 who were totally against music of any 146 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:28,870 form and and certainly opposed to dancin 147 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:31,530 dancin has always been sin 148 00:09:41,890 --> 00:09:34,800 for because like Elvis knew your wiggle 149 00:09:52,790 --> 00:09:49,300 so this leads to you have a new book 150 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:52,800 called David Bowie UFOs witchcraft 151 00:10:00,820 --> 00:09:57,090 cocaine and paranormal now III a lot of 152 00:10:04,570 --> 00:10:00,830 people know you only as you know mr. UFO 153 00:10:10,540 --> 00:10:04,580 your your interest and it's smaller foes 154 00:10:13,820 --> 00:10:10,550 they're small-minded but you have a 155 00:10:17,390 --> 00:10:13,830 really a pretty rich history when it 156 00:10:19,490 --> 00:10:17,400 comes to rock and roll especially there 157 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:19,500 on the East Coast and and and in New 158 00:10:28,310 --> 00:10:23,070 York how did you get involved in in all 159 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:28,320 of that well you know it goes back to I 160 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:30,750 I don't know exactly how old I was but 161 00:10:38,450 --> 00:10:33,180 let's let's say ten or twelve years old 162 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:38,460 and I had heard the music of Little 163 00:10:46,550 --> 00:10:43,500 Richard now Little Richard was or became 164 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:46,560 a minister but if you know a little 165 00:10:52,310 --> 00:10:49,260 Richard and have seen pictures of Little 166 00:10:54,310 --> 00:10:52,320 Richard and saw him performed and 167 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:54,320 listened to his music 168 00:11:02,900 --> 00:10:57,330 you know that Little Richard was no 169 00:11:08,470 --> 00:11:02,910 saint by any means he had wore lipstick 170 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:08,480 and makeup and a kind of flaunted his 171 00:11:21,380 --> 00:11:14,000 personality and played the songs that 172 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:21,390 were very risque in nature and one could 173 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:26,130 see why the Baptist minister was opposed 174 00:11:31,670 --> 00:11:30,210 to songs like good golly Miss Molly sure 175 00:11:35,030 --> 00:11:31,680 liked the ball 176 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:35,040 Trudy fruity now there's an innocent 177 00:11:42,650 --> 00:11:40,650 enough song it's about candy right as 178 00:11:46,190 --> 00:11:42,660 well I always thought oh yeah 179 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:46,200 Trudy fruity oh Rudy 180 00:11:55,199 --> 00:11:50,170 so iiii like i like the music with the 181 00:11:57,660 --> 00:11:55,209 beat when i was when i was a youngster 182 00:12:01,560 --> 00:11:57,670 and you know it was pretty difficult to 183 00:12:04,380 --> 00:12:01,570 get music like that you had to put in an 184 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:04,390 advanced order because it was considered 185 00:12:11,150 --> 00:12:06,970 black music to be honest with you i mean 186 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:11,160 that's that's all there was and most 187 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:14,860 record stores didn't carry anything like 188 00:12:20,699 --> 00:12:17,890 that it was maybe they had Bill Haley in 189 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:20,709 the commets now there's a real rock and 190 00:12:25,860 --> 00:12:22,839 roller how much the big how about the 191 00:12:28,650 --> 00:12:25,870 Big Bopper Chantilly lace and a pretty 192 00:12:31,050 --> 00:12:28,660 apiece and a phony tail hanging down 193 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:31,060 wiggle as a walk giggle as she talked 194 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:33,700 Lord makes the world go round 195 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:37,810 yeah okay but for the most part it it 196 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:39,730 was easy to get me you had to put your 197 00:12:46,259 --> 00:12:42,430 question and and and wait around so I 198 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:46,269 think the first album that I had my mom 199 00:12:55,350 --> 00:12:50,529 by for me was Little Richard and I 200 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:55,360 became a huge fan and then later on when 201 00:13:02,069 --> 00:12:57,730 I became a a teenager in my late teens 202 00:13:05,340 --> 00:13:02,079 and I started commuting from New Jersey 203 00:13:10,260 --> 00:13:05,350 over to a Manhattan I would go down to 204 00:13:16,380 --> 00:13:10,270 Greenwich Village and would stalk some 205 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:16,390 of the little clubs that existed I call 206 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:19,600 them bohemian the clubs but both Amiens 207 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:21,070 were kinda on the way out that was 208 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:23,050 before the hippies 209 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:25,360 I guess just before you know the poets 210 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:27,760 and things like that and there were some 211 00:13:34,370 --> 00:13:30,360 there were some really fantastic 212 00:13:38,220 --> 00:13:34,380 musicians who were just the starting to 213 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:38,230 perform in in public musicians like the 214 00:13:44,490 --> 00:13:42,010 Jimi Hendrix and I would go in at night 215 00:13:46,530 --> 00:13:44,500 and for a couple of drinks she could sit 216 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:46,540 around till 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning 217 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:48,250 and maybe go to even an after-hours bar 218 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:50,649 if you knew the password to get through 219 00:13:57,380 --> 00:13:54,610 the you know past the doorman and it was 220 00:13:59,080 --> 00:13:57,390 exciting and it was new and it was 221 00:14:01,480 --> 00:13:59,090 energized 222 00:14:05,830 --> 00:14:01,490 that that's the way I could describe it 223 00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:05,840 but my real entrance into the world of a 224 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:11,150 rock'n roll is a backstage gadfly I 225 00:14:19,090 --> 00:14:13,970 guess you could say it took place I was 226 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:19,100 walking down second Avenue in lower 227 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:20,690 Manhattan in Greenwich Village in the 228 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:23,930 East Village and I was passing the 229 00:14:29,770 --> 00:14:27,170 Fillmore East which was sixth Street and 230 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:29,780 2nd Avenue that was of course the the 231 00:14:35,380 --> 00:14:33,230 place for a rock and roll in the 60s 232 00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:35,390 promoter Bill Graham had all the big 233 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:39,590 acts there and I stopped on the corner 234 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:42,650 to listen to the sound of the music 235 00:14:48,970 --> 00:14:45,850 coming out the back door which was open 236 00:14:52,390 --> 00:14:48,980 to the to the theater because that's 237 00:14:54,430 --> 00:14:52,400 where the musicians are brought in and 238 00:14:56,830 --> 00:14:54,440 then the road crew brought in all their 239 00:14:59,020 --> 00:14:56,840 equipment and and the stage was there so 240 00:15:01,750 --> 00:14:59,030 you were actually kind of backstage even 241 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:01,760 while you were on the sidewalk and there 242 00:15:09,270 --> 00:15:05,200 happened to be a member of a 243 00:15:13,660 --> 00:15:09,280 well-established motorcycle club 244 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:13,670 standing there doing security he later 245 00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:15,590 became a friend 246 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:19,040 his name was Fat Joe and we got to 247 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:22,510 talking which is something that normally 248 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:24,770 you wouldn't think that somebody from my 249 00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:28,250 you know a motorcycle club where would 250 00:15:33,130 --> 00:15:29,600 it was somebody passing on the street 251 00:15:35,890 --> 00:15:33,140 but we seem to have the music and you 252 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:35,900 know and in common and we got into a 253 00:15:41,830 --> 00:15:38,240 little discussion and and Joe says to me 254 00:15:45,190 --> 00:15:41,840 care to go in I said go in and he said 255 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:45,200 yeah just go backstage you know so I 256 00:15:55,810 --> 00:15:49,850 went backstage and it was Black Sabbath 257 00:15:59,530 --> 00:15:55,820 playing and I listened to the music and 258 00:16:04,480 --> 00:15:59,540 I ended up just going to just about 259 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:04,490 every show as a reporter of course I was 260 00:16:09,790 --> 00:16:06,650 working for a couple of newspapers then 261 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:09,800 one was the Manhattan Gazette and I 262 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:12,430 convinced the 263 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:15,290 publisher to let me do a music column 264 00:16:20,769 --> 00:16:18,890 now she terribly hated everything in 265 00:16:23,170 --> 00:16:20,779 life as far as I can remember and 266 00:16:26,170 --> 00:16:23,180 certainly did not did not like rock 267 00:16:28,329 --> 00:16:26,180 music but I I guess she figured well 268 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:28,339 maybe it'll appeal to a different 269 00:16:36,910 --> 00:16:31,910 demographic so I got my friend to helena 270 00:16:40,420 --> 00:16:36,920 javi who is a photographer in fact many 271 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:40,430 of our her photographs are in the book 272 00:16:48,670 --> 00:16:44,260 the David Bowie UFOs witchcraft okay and 273 00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:48,680 paranoia and we started to attend attend 274 00:16:56,259 --> 00:16:52,720 all the concerts now the Academy the 275 00:16:58,540 --> 00:16:56,269 Fillmore East that closed around that 276 00:17:02,079 --> 00:16:58,550 time I know probably within a year after 277 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:02,089 I went backstage and see Black Sabbath 278 00:17:10,110 --> 00:17:06,410 but the the music went on a couple of 279 00:17:14,919 --> 00:17:10,120 blocks away up on 14th Street and an old 280 00:17:17,380 --> 00:17:14,929 opera house that was built like in 1860 281 00:17:20,829 --> 00:17:17,390 or something that had was absolutely 282 00:17:23,740 --> 00:17:20,839 glamorous when it first you know open 283 00:17:28,409 --> 00:17:23,750 but by this time I think it was showing 284 00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:28,419 a you know porno movies and it held 285 00:17:32,919 --> 00:17:30,799 3,600 people in three different levels 286 00:17:35,530 --> 00:17:32,929 you know or not a balcony the upper 287 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:35,540 upper tier so it was huge but it was 288 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:39,290 kind of in a disrepair obviously in a 289 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:41,600 hundred or so years nobody had really 290 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:44,690 taken care of it but a a gentleman by 291 00:17:50,830 --> 00:17:48,610 the name of Howard Stein came along and 292 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:50,840 made a deal with the owners of the 293 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:54,290 building and every week ended just about 294 00:18:00,400 --> 00:17:56,000 every weekend on a Friday or Saturday 295 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:00,410 night they would put on a concert there 296 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:03,530 were two to shows wanted I think it 297 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:05,000 started into 8 o'clock in the evening 298 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:06,830 and another one that began and around 299 00:18:14,169 --> 00:18:10,970 the eleven o'clock and we're talking 300 00:18:20,860 --> 00:18:14,179 about you know bands that were were 301 00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:20,870 bands I mean just traffic and Fleetwood 302 00:18:30,009 --> 00:18:25,960 Mac I just trim a tremendous 303 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:30,019 music and I became because I was working 304 00:18:34,749 --> 00:18:31,940 for the rock magazines and doing a 305 00:18:37,779 --> 00:18:34,759 column for the Manhattan Gazette Helen 306 00:18:40,269 --> 00:18:37,789 and I became friendly with the promoter 307 00:18:43,539 --> 00:18:40,279 and it would people that were working 308 00:18:47,979 --> 00:18:43,549 there there was a young lady who worked 309 00:18:51,549 --> 00:18:47,989 the front office for Howard by Newman 310 00:18:53,649 --> 00:18:51,559 Lila Schulman and she was interested in 311 00:18:55,479 --> 00:18:53,659 the occult in fact they didn't have I 312 00:18:59,950 --> 00:18:55,489 think a reading for her and helped her 313 00:19:03,099 --> 00:18:59,960 find a ring that she had lost and she 314 00:19:08,139 --> 00:19:03,109 said there was a lady that she wanted to 315 00:19:08,889 --> 00:19:08,149 introduce Helen and I - it was a gal by 316 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:08,899 name Wally 317 00:19:16,599 --> 00:19:12,710 L Mark who was in who was the White 318 00:19:19,539 --> 00:19:16,609 Witch of New York and she wrote a column 319 00:19:23,469 --> 00:19:19,549 for the British publication a Melody 320 00:19:26,830 --> 00:19:23,479 Maker and for the magazine here in this 321 00:19:29,349 --> 00:19:26,840 country called Circus Circus was kind of 322 00:19:32,979 --> 00:19:29,359 the a glossy version of Rolling Stone 323 00:19:37,719 --> 00:19:32,989 but without the politics he was all 324 00:19:42,180 --> 00:19:37,729 about the the the pop star of the of the 325 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:42,190 of the of the day and she had befriended 326 00:19:48,629 --> 00:19:45,470 many of the the rock musicians who 327 00:19:54,099 --> 00:19:48,639 showed a great deal of interest in the 328 00:19:58,259 --> 00:19:54,109 the sub does the occult in fact David 329 00:20:04,119 --> 00:19:58,269 she introduced me to a David Bowie and 330 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:04,129 he had had a experience or two well he 331 00:20:09,879 --> 00:20:06,769 was fascinated by the occult everything 332 00:20:12,940 --> 00:20:09,889 from Aleister Crowley to the The Tree of 333 00:20:16,029 --> 00:20:12,950 Life in fact in the in the book we 334 00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:16,039 publish a number of photographs from his 335 00:20:22,210 --> 00:20:18,320 private collection of him actually 336 00:20:25,629 --> 00:20:22,220 drawing examples on the I think on the 337 00:20:28,570 --> 00:20:25,639 on the on the floor of the of the Tree 338 00:20:32,879 --> 00:20:28,580 of Life which he was captivated with but 339 00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:32,889 he had also run into a problem with that 340 00:20:39,340 --> 00:20:37,070 white powder known as cocaine and he had 341 00:20:42,490 --> 00:20:39,350 gotten terribly a pairing 342 00:20:44,890 --> 00:20:42,500 in fact at one point he believed and 343 00:20:48,010 --> 00:20:44,900 there's some reason to say that this was 344 00:20:50,169 --> 00:20:48,020 true that the swimming-pool of the house 345 00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:50,179 that he had bought in Los Angeles 346 00:20:59,230 --> 00:20:56,360 was possessed by an evil spirit and in 347 00:21:02,860 --> 00:20:59,240 fact I the the water in the pool would 348 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:02,870 bubble by itself and there was even an 349 00:21:09,940 --> 00:21:05,440 impression of something that looked 350 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:09,950 satanic in the bottom of the pool he 351 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:13,370 also believed that witches were coming 352 00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:17,690 to collect his semen in order to create 353 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:24,799 a create the Antichrist hmm so you could 354 00:21:31,779 --> 00:21:26,510 you could see he was just doing a little 355 00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:31,789 bit too much of that cocaine and he 356 00:21:38,350 --> 00:21:34,340 needed help and I guess he realized that 357 00:21:43,630 --> 00:21:38,360 so a friend of David's by the name of 358 00:21:46,090 --> 00:21:43,640 cherry vanilla who was a poet I I knew 359 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:46,100 were a beautiful beautiful red-haired 360 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:50,480 gal I guess she was in her early 20s at 361 00:21:59,289 --> 00:21:55,090 that point but then weren't we all and 362 00:22:04,120 --> 00:21:59,299 she she knew Wally and she got Wally in 363 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:04,130 touch with David and Wally did a spell 364 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:07,130 or gave him the words to do a spell I 365 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:10,970 think it was and they performed a spell 366 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:13,490 or two in with candles and all and 367 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:17,210 managed to get rid of the demon both in 368 00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,210 the pool in his home and outside of LA 369 00:22:30,399 --> 00:22:24,799 and the demons I guess that we're trying 370 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:30,409 to possess his soul so she had a she had 371 00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:33,320 a she was a great personality a very 372 00:22:41,470 --> 00:22:38,480 attractive woman she had long black hair 373 00:22:45,549 --> 00:22:41,480 with a green streak in it she was kind 374 00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,559 of goth before there was goth and she 375 00:22:52,419 --> 00:22:47,600 was very energetic and very positive 376 00:22:53,370 --> 00:22:52,429 about witchcraft like Maria she only 377 00:22:57,030 --> 00:22:53,380 believed in 378 00:23:00,410 --> 00:22:57,040 using the occult for for good so she 379 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:00,420 befriended a lot of the rock and roll 380 00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:04,240 performers and and I was introduced in 381 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:07,270 and I were introduced to her by a Lila 382 00:23:16,970 --> 00:23:11,260 Schulman and we met her backstage at the 383 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:16,980 Academy of Music with its 3,600 paying 384 00:23:24,420 --> 00:23:20,580 attendees and and some of the best music 385 00:23:27,450 --> 00:23:24,430 in the world that will never be created 386 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:27,460 again there today not with the sorry 387 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:30,130 state of music as far as I'm concerned 388 00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:32,020 you don't have bands like traffic and 389 00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:36,280 cream and it was it was sensational and 390 00:23:41,910 --> 00:23:38,350 in people who lived through that era 391 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:41,920 will appreciate but what I'm saying but 392 00:23:47,850 --> 00:23:44,910 there was a direct connection between 393 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:47,860 rock and roll and the occult that was 394 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:50,590 that was growing and at about that time 395 00:23:58,140 --> 00:23:54,330 I had just formed one of the first 396 00:24:00,000 --> 00:23:58,150 metaphysical schools in the country it 397 00:24:02,700 --> 00:24:00,010 was the New York school of occult Arts 398 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:02,710 and Sciences and believe it or not we 399 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:06,010 were only about three or four avenues 400 00:24:11,010 --> 00:24:09,070 away from the Academy in music so some 401 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:11,020 of the musicians that play that the 402 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:12,970 Academy would come on up to the occult 403 00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:15,850 Center in fact there's a photo in the 404 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:19,540 book that the Helen took of dr. John Mac 405 00:24:23,610 --> 00:24:20,110 Rebennack 406 00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:23,620 the the night tripper from New Orleans 407 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:27,220 and he came up to the occult Center in 408 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:32,500 his complete voodoo garb is the best way 409 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:35,050 I could describe it and did a spell with 410 00:24:40,770 --> 00:24:38,110 his oils and in a blessing or two and 411 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:40,780 there's a great photo of him in me and 412 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:44,560 the book and and he he I first saw him 413 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:46,390 in fact on a show with Jimi Hendrix 414 00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:51,370 outside at Randall's Island Tim we're 415 00:25:01,050 --> 00:24:54,430 almost out of time here what so what's 416 00:25:03,690 --> 00:25:01,060 what's the name of the hook again oh and 417 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:03,700 the book is David Bowie UFOs witchcraft 418 00:25:10,150 --> 00:25:06,650 cocaine paranoid 419 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:10,160 and uh go to find me on Facebook man and 420 00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:12,290 we'll chat you know just type in Tim 421 00:25:18,190 --> 00:25:15,380 Beckley and God bless you all and we'll 422 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:18,200 all go down to the the crossroads as 423 00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:20,810 long as we can keep the haints away 424 00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:23,600 because you gotta set out on that grave 425 00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:25,640 stone and they'll come out at night and 426 00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:30,830 teach you how to play you've been 427 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:33,950 listening to exploring the bizarre with 428 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:35,630 hosts Timothy Becky 429 00:25:41,410 --> 00:25:39,140 panting Swartz they're taking back the 430 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:41,420 night by jetting non-stop across the 431 00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:43,970 cosmos in search of the truly bizarre 432 00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:47,270 and totally unexplained with you as 433 00:25:54,610 --> 00:25:50,630 their combatant Thursday nights at 7:00 434 00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,620 p.m. Pacific 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K 435 00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:57,120 cor digital radio 436 00:26:02,990 --> 00:25:59,580 for more information on exploring the 437 00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:03,000 bazaar and hosts timothy Beckley and tim 438 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:05,880 Swartz check out their kco our digital 439 00:26:15,170 --> 00:26:08,970 radio network follow their YouTube